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	<title>Comments on: The possessed at the mosque</title>
	<link>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/</link>
	<description>A graduate student in mathematics and a modern languages major take on politics and culture with the following aspirational motto: ‘Deregulate your mind.’</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1394</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1394</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Darn! Someone already thought of video games like I was talking about. Well if we can’t figure out a peaceful way of deterring them, I guess we are back to just having to kill ‘em. 
 It may be that games, books and movies are a two edged sword. This subject of the pernicious effect of mass media has been around at least since there were printing presses. Undoubtedly the impressionable can be influenced, but  government or clerical censorship is worse than the disease, plus it stimulates demand.
Fears of hoards of trained killers coming back from war were myths circulated during and after WWI, WWII, Vietnam and now add video games. 
When I was a kid it was action comic books that were blamed for causing juvenile delinquency  and  this lead to censorship. People need to be taught the difference between fantasy and reality, not protected from either. Actually the murder rate is going down,though I do agree that there has been a sometimes  unpleasent coarsening of  mass culture.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn! Someone already thought of video games like I was talking about. Well if we can’t figure out a peaceful way of deterring them, I guess we are back to just having to kill ‘em. 
 It may be that games, books and movies are a two edged sword. This subject of the pernicious effect of mass media has been around at least since there were printing presses. Undoubtedly the impressionable can be influenced, but  government or clerical censorship is worse than the disease, plus it stimulates demand.
Fears of hoards of trained killers coming back from war were myths circulated during and after WWI, WWII, Vietnam and now add video games. 
When I was a kid it was action comic books that were blamed for causing juvenile delinquency  and  this lead to censorship. People need to be taught the difference between fantasy and reality, not protected from either. Actually the murder rate is going down,though I do agree that there has been a sometimes  unpleasent coarsening of  mass culture.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1393</link>
		<author>John Lopez</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1393</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
...quite the opposite in fact.
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&lt;p&gt;And that conclusion &lt;a HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0316330116/104-9261115-4551147?v=glance" rel="nofollow"&gt;isn't confined to Islamic radicals&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;

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Drawing on interviews, published personal accounts and academic studies, Grossman investigates the psychology of killing in combat. Stressing that human beings have a powerful, innate resistance to the taking of life, he examines the techniques developed by the military to overcome that aversion.

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Grossman argues that the breakdown of American society, combined with the pervasive violence in the media and interactive video games, is conditioning our children to kill in a manner siimilar to the army's conditioning of soldiers: "We are reaching that stage of desensitization at which the infliction of pain and suffering has become a source of entertainment: vicarious pleasure rather than revulsion. We are learning to kill, and we are learning to like it." Grossman, a professor of military science at Arkansas State University, has written a study of relevance to a society of escalating violence.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>
&#8230;quite the opposite in fact.
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<p>And that conclusion <a HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0316330116/104-9261115-4551147?v=glance" rel="nofollow">isn&#8217;t confined to Islamic radicals</a>:</p>

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Drawing on interviews, published personal accounts and academic studies, Grossman investigates the psychology of killing in combat. Stressing that human beings have a powerful, innate resistance to the taking of life, he examines the techniques developed by the military to overcome that aversion.

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Grossman argues that the breakdown of American society, combined with the pervasive violence in the media and interactive video games, is conditioning our children to kill in a manner siimilar to the army&#8217;s conditioning of soldiers: &#8220;We are reaching that stage of desensitization at which the infliction of pain and suffering has become a source of entertainment: vicarious pleasure rather than revulsion. We are learning to kill, and we are learning to like it.&#8221; Grossman, a professor of military science at Arkansas State University, has written a study of relevance to a society of escalating violence.
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1392</link>
		<author>Curt</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1392</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/21/whizb21.xml&#38;sSheet=/news/2004/02/21/ixworld.html/news/2004/02/21/whizb21.xml" rel="nofollow"&gt;Done and done&lt;/a&gt;.  But the fact that Hizbollah is sponsoring something like this clearly indicates that at least they don't believe it will lead to the sublimation of violent impulses--quite the opposite in fact.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/21/whizb21.xml&amp;sSheet=/news/2004/02/21/ixworld.html/news/2004/02/21/whizb21.xml" rel="nofollow">Done and done</a>.  But the fact that Hizbollah is sponsoring something like this clearly indicates that at least they don&#8217;t believe it will lead to the sublimation of violent impulses&#8211;quite the opposite in fact.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1391</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1391</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hopefully civilized persons would learn to sublimate their violent tendencies by watching sports such as hockey, football and WWF wrestling or by watching violent Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. Even better they could play violent computer games such as Grand Theft Auto. Note how violent crime has dropped since the introduction of these games. See:  gr.bolt.com/articles/violence/violence.htm
 Specially designed games for Islamic jihadists featuring popular fantasies such as killing and maiming Jews and Americans could be produced.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully civilized persons would learn to sublimate their violent tendencies by watching sports such as hockey, football and WWF wrestling or by watching violent Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. Even better they could play violent computer games such as Grand Theft Auto. Note how violent crime has dropped since the introduction of these games. See:  gr.bolt.com/articles/violence/violence.htm
 Specially designed games for Islamic jihadists featuring popular fantasies such as killing and maiming Jews and Americans could be produced.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1383</link>
		<author>Curt</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1383</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, but let's be honest, getting psychic satisfaction from violence is not something that is exactly limited to terrorists.  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but let&#8217;s be honest, getting psychic satisfaction from violence is not something that is exactly limited to terrorists.  </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1382</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sellingwaves.com/2005/10/24/the-possessed-at-the-mosque/#comment-1382</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please see: Al Qaeda's Fantasy Ideology by Lee Harris -
www.policyreview.org/AUG02/harris.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In this article the argument is made that the motivation for this type of activity is irrational and is directed at stoking the psychic satisfaction of the activist. This is consistent with their attacks of high profile targets. They then undoubtedly revel as they read about themselves in the newspapers, the way serial killers do.  Of course you don’t negotiate persons with this type of mentality, much less blame your self for being the “root cause” of their acts. I see parallels with the sixties radicals. They were not concerned with avenging any act that had personally been done to them or their family. In fact they hated their mom and dad as well as their country. These Islamists are much more virulent. The sixty’s  Weather Underground carefully placed their bombs so as to avoid killing innocent people. They accidentally killed a night watchman, or a bank guard I think. Today’s terrorists apply extra care so as to maim and kill as many innocents as possible. The only way to deal with them is to hunt them down and kill them.  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see: Al Qaeda&#8217;s Fantasy Ideology by Lee Harris -
<a href="http://www.policyreview.org/AUG02/harris.html" rel="nofollow">www.policyreview.org/AUG02/harris.html</a></p>

<p>In this article the argument is made that the motivation for this type of activity is irrational and is directed at stoking the psychic satisfaction of the activist. This is consistent with their attacks of high profile targets. They then undoubtedly revel as they read about themselves in the newspapers, the way serial killers do.  Of course you don’t negotiate persons with this type of mentality, much less blame your self for being the “root cause” of their acts. I see parallels with the sixties radicals. They were not concerned with avenging any act that had personally been done to them or their family. In fact they hated their mom and dad as well as their country. These Islamists are much more virulent. The sixty’s  Weather Underground carefully placed their bombs so as to avoid killing innocent people. They accidentally killed a night watchman, or a bank guard I think. Today’s terrorists apply extra care so as to maim and kill as many innocents as possible. The only way to deal with them is to hunt them down and kill them.  </p>]]></content:encoded>
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